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Class revamps: Sadida and Ecaflip
Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-18
posté April 08, 2013, 17:12:21 | #21
Simple to them means not being able to make UBs easier

I like this new totem but it needed to be at least 80% of target's hp. But as long as we get the WP back I will be happy.

Troyle can you please confirm this? We need to know if we get WP back when a doll or voodoll dies?


Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2013-03-01
posté April 08, 2013, 17:12:35 | #22

Quote (SpaceTeenager @ 08 April 2013 16:54) *
TOO
MANY
DOLLS

and very badly named like the Ultra-Powerful was probably named in a serious lack of naming ideas. Block should've remained the lock one and Inflatable should've been the pull+heal one. how can I use a heal doll if it's 10 cells away locking the opponent? makes a lot more sense this way, but hey Ankama is not renowned for their logic and straightforward thinking
if the inflatable works like he does in dofus, he takes a deep breath and exhales performing a big aoe heal that hits every ally on the board so it's not going to matter where he is standing or what he's locking. I believe that's why he's called the inflatable.


Grizzled Dandelion * Member Since 2011-06-08
posté April 08, 2013, 17:12:57 | #23
what if milkar derps and fireballs the face off his doll?


Lead Community Manager * Member Since 2012-02-28
posté April 08, 2013, 17:14:22 | #24

Quote (Rokugatsu @ 08 April 2013 17:04) *

Quote (Neneko88 @ 08 April 2013 17:03) *
I think Troyle meant to write that the inflatable has a dodge bonus? Why would the inflatable need a lock bonus?
Yeah, I also wonder why, dodge would suit it better.

I got confirmation from Grou that this is a mistake. It's a Dodge bonus, not Lock.


Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2013-03-01
posté April 08, 2013, 17:14:37 | #25

Quote (Neneko88 @ 08 April 2013 17:12) *
Simple to them means not being able to make UBs easier

I like this new totem but it needed to be at least 80% of target's hp. But as long as we get the WP back I will be happy.

Troyle can you please confirm this? We need to know if we get WP back when a doll or voodoll dies?
you get 20 and up to 40 with talent and you get all the targets resists and your mastery i believe. Can you imagine linking this to a dungeon boss or ub with 6000-10000 hp and 400 resist in most elements?

Guess we need confirmation but i believe the specialty savoire-faire works like the pdf and at max gives a 100 percent chance to get back wp when a doll dies.


This post has been edited by MissKittyKelly - April 08, 2013, 17:17:03.
Bellaphone Lover * Member Since 2011-08-23
posté April 08, 2013, 17:15:48 | #26
Awesome eca changes, I can see some of it being a bit overpowered, but time will show what is and isn't.


Scary Polter * Member Since 2011-05-15
posté April 08, 2013, 17:17:35 | #27
@exponentialrage

Yeah earth eca's will be more OP now, like before.


Lead Community Manager * Member Since 2012-02-28
posté April 08, 2013, 17:22:05 | #28

Quote (Neneko88 @ 08 April 2013 17:12) *
Simple to them means not being able to make UBs easier

I like this new totem but it needed to be at least 80% of target's hp. But as long as we get the WP back I will be happy.

Troyle can you please confirm this? We need to know if we get WP back when a doll or voodoll dies?

Savoir faire doesn't give the WP back when the voodoll dies, only with "normal" dolls.


Grizzled Dandelion * Member Since 2011-06-08
posté April 08, 2013, 17:23:15 | #29
If you sacrifice the Totem, does it give back the WP, like just before it dies, sacrifice?


Scary Polter * Member Since 2011-05-15
posté April 08, 2013, 17:25:40 | #30
Please make greedy's 25% or 30% of sadida's hp and blocks 35%-40% of sadidas hp. We were complaining about Doll's hp and this new changes won't change that. I am happy they don't have charges anymore but with these new changes only reliable build for sadida will be full hp build again in order to make dolls have as much hp as possible.


Short Strich * Member Since 2010-11-12
posté April 08, 2013, 17:29:54 | #31
Voodoll has 40% Of target's HP if you max savoir-faire
And doll have enough HP because they take 1/2 of AoE Dmg
This are my opinion...

**He walks away and starts to create an Ecaflip**


Lead Community Manager * Member Since 2012-02-28
posté April 08, 2013, 17:32:04 | #32

Quote (kevv21 @ 08 April 2013 17:23) *
If you sacrifice the Totem, does it give back the WP, like just before it dies, sacrifice?

No, you don't get the WP back.


Dokushuuuuu * Member Since 2008-01-09
posté April 08, 2013, 17:33:18 | #33

Quote (MissKittyKelly @ 08 April 2013 17:12) *

Quote (SpaceTeenager @ 08 April 2013 16:54) *
TOO
MANY
DOLLS

and very badly named like the Ultra-Powerful was probably named in a serious lack of naming ideas. Block should've remained the lock one and Inflatable should've been the pull+heal one. how can I use a heal doll if it's 10 cells away locking the opponent? makes a lot more sense this way, but hey Ankama is not renowned for their logic and straightforward thinking
if the inflatable works like he does in dofus, he takes a deep breath and exhales performing a big aoe heal that hits every ally on the board so it's not going to matter where he is standing or what he's locking. I believe that's why he's called the inflatable.
I don't think it works like in Dofus. In the pdf file you can see that it only heals one person.

Dgrayman4ever, and they don't lose HP if you lvled Doll Link and someone hits you, so it's even better.


Squited Arachnee * Member Since 2012-03-25
posté April 08, 2013, 17:40:26 | #34
Cool, i really like Sadida changes ^^
Hope it works out as good as it sounds.


Eccentric Moogrr * Member Since 2010-12-10
posté April 08, 2013, 17:41:08 | #35
the changes to voodoll have me absolutely disgusted and further confirm my belief Grou should have been removed from the skill design of the Sadida class....

Also gotta love this. " The Earth tree is meant to be a distance damage and movement impairing tool. It can now also offer tanking options. " Because i do so love those long distance tanks... xD


Squited Arachnee * Member Since 2012-03-25
posté April 08, 2013, 17:50:34 | #36

Quote (Elistah @ 08 April 2013 17:41) *
the changes to voodoll have me absolutely disgusted and further confirm my belief Grou should have been removed from the skill design of the Sadida class....
I believe people should stop depending on one spell to make things easier for them,
make the revamps work in your favor by forgetting what the class has been and focus on what it can be now.


Dokushuuuuu * Member Since 2008-01-09
posté April 08, 2013, 17:51:05 | #37
I think they ment that they can tank with The Block
That got me thinking... can you use bramble shell on a dolls? That would be cool.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-18
posté April 08, 2013, 17:52:53 | #38

Quote (Elistah @ 08 April 2013 17:41) *
the changes to voodoll have me absolutely disgusted and further confirm my belief Grou should have been removed from the skill design of the Sadida class....

Also gotta love this. " The Earth tree is meant to be a distance damage and movement impairing tool. It can now also offer tanking options. " Because i do so love those long distance tanks... xD
Grou is all about numbers but you can't apply the same type of numbers you apply with air osas like you can with a summoning class like sadida where you have to consider how long the summons stay there, how many turns it takes for you to have things in your favor and how much other classes could already do in those 2 or 3 turns.

A lot of people won't keep this new totem now, 4AP doesn't make sense when you consider how many nerfs the totem already go. Waste of time and AP.

You have time to lower the cost for what we get Grou, there's still a week left.


Short Strich * Member Since 2012-06-10
posté April 08, 2013, 18:00:57 | #39

Quote
Voodoll: The totem no longer exist, or at least not as before. The Sadida can now summon a Voodoll and link it to a target. This target takes all the damages or heals dealt to the Voodoll. At level 0 this spell has a cost of 6 AP & 2 WP, a range of 2 in line, and the Voodoll has 11% of the target’s HP. At level 9, this spell has a cost of 4 AP & 1 WP, a range of 2-4 in line, and the Voodoll has 20% of the target’s HP. This doll will have a behavior forcing it to run away, cannot be controlled by the Sadida, also cannot become Nettled


Oh god, why do I foresee border trolling doll AI, like y'know coneys do? XD


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2012-12-21
posté April 08, 2013, 18:01:40 | #40
Please be careful with the voodool implementation. If you screw it up you will not only seriously nerf a very useful aspect of the sadi class but you will also make close combat DDs near unusable for bosses.

If it ends up running away with the brains of a coney you might as well kill it now.