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Doll Crits
Narcissistic Larva * Member Since 2013-10-21
posté February 13, 2014, 18:42:40 | #1
Doll Crits Do dolls share in Sadis Crits? Or do they have their own?


Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2012-08-08
posté February 13, 2014, 20:41:41 | #2
Dolls all have a crit chance of 0%, and they don't share their summoner's. Unless you find a way to buff them in combat, they will never crit.


Ambitious Crackapult * Member Since 2013-02-17
posté February 13, 2014, 20:46:22 | #3
Why dont they have %3 base ch?  


Nun Shall Pass * Member Since 2012-07-02
posté February 14, 2014, 11:47:27 | #4
Air dolls can not crit :c

I know that for a fact. Greedings can.

I tested this and I actually found that dolls could crit [greedies] with old feca crit glyphs and eca crits.

Lol like doing that is worth it ~___~


Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2013-10-21
posté February 16, 2014, 02:50:11 | #5
I think it'd really help the cause (doll sadis) if they could share the same crits as the summoner ... Oh well, well there goes that idea. Thanks for the responses.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2011-04-28
posté February 17, 2014, 09:18:33 | #6
I noticed that in game no summon actually crit, unless they are wild creatures (osa summons). I have never seen "Summoned by X" characters (such as the one on AL Howin that you control in dungeon or the one in trool fair where you can get Kiss Emote) to crit. Basically anything that has description that it has been summoned by player has no crit rate (but like i said osamodas summons are exception, because we can find these monsters in the wild). It doesn't mean they can't crit - they can if they get crit rate bonus, such as the one made by water Ecaflip fleeches. The crit would help dolls and i always thought Nettle should guarantee dolls to crit (since they don't crit at all normally).


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-18
posté April 25, 2014, 16:44:55 | #7
I think Kam logged into wakfu and tried a sadida and saw how horrible they are XD
they finally added crits to dolls..

"Dolls: they will now have a rate of Critical Hits same Sadida."


Wilder than Wild Dragoturkey * Member Since 2008-05-13
posté April 25, 2014, 17:56:19 | #8
@Neneko

I have ssen it. Doll builds might be a little more interesting with that change...


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2011-04-28
posté April 25, 2014, 19:14:28 | #9
They should also consider critical hit cast on seed to make the doll summoned deal 100% crit on its next attack (no crit should be wasted).


Nun Shall Pass * Member Since 2012-07-02
posté April 28, 2014, 07:49:25 | #10
OMG OMG OMOMGGGGKJGBGB

SDFGHJKL:XCGBKMLXDCBHM


APRIL 29th is THE DATE SADIDA UNITE AND TAKE OVER THE WORLD [of 12] ... sike, BUT DOLLS CAN CRIT AFTER THE PATCH

OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMOGM


Seeeeee change log

 


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2011-04-28
posté April 28, 2014, 09:25:54 | #11
Don't get overexcited. It's not like it will make us in pair with other classes. We will still suck where we suck now.

Oh and crit from a low dmg is still low dmg.


And i must say i liked the fact that dolls couldn't crit because of northern chafer's effect that my dolls didnt trigger, ever. I would rather have nettle state as the mechanic determining doll's crit chance (if not nettled - no crit, if nettled - crit) wich with maxed green guard would give dolls 40% crit rate (if sadida get attacked) and with sic'em more would give doll guaranteed crit for 1 ap (current cost of sic'em more) wich would be as good as doing that 1ap worth dmg.

But guess Ankama was afraid to even think about it and they decided to give us the "lame" version of dolls crit, making their crit based on our own crit rate. Wich means we have another stat (aside from Chance, Agi, HP) to level to "try to be decent".

Now i will be afraid to make dolls even more just to not make them fail the challange by accidentaly critting on the target that i wanted them to weaken not kill (for Wily challange for example). Bye bye math, welcome more randomness.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-18
posté April 28, 2014, 15:13:31 | #12
agree..with the low base damage these dolls even with crit are really weak. the base damage is what ruins them not the water % or crit, oh well we'll see.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2011-04-28
posté April 28, 2014, 15:26:11 | #13
I miss the ability to boost dolls AP (via Rust or nettle). Back then it was justified to have that low dmg, since it could have been multiplied. Ankama changed that to dmg% wich, in contrary, made dolls do less dmg - a troll way to "improve" dolls by nerfing them.


This post has been edited by Kikuihimonji - April 28, 2014, 15:26:38.
Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-18
posté April 28, 2014, 16:05:04 | #14
That was a lot better than this +water% thing they do with greedy..
I never saw anyone call the old nettle overpowered

It was good that greedys could hit twice because of low their base damage is.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-04
posté April 28, 2014, 16:39:03 | #15

Quote (Kikuihimonji @ 28 April 2014 09:25) *
Oh and crit from a low dmg is still low dmg.

This^

My issue with Air dolls is 60% of your base elemental% is always going to be too low. Crit for greedies is good, but sadly i never use those. Crit for inflatables will rock however^^ Now if only I could control them


Quote (Neneko88 @ 28 April 2014 15:13) *
agree..with the low base damage these dolls even with crit are really weak. the base damage is what ruins them not the water % or crit, oh well we'll see.

Dolls should have a lower base dmg. They should not have a lower elemental damage% Dolls should always be able to compete for the level of content you do... using the Sadi's dmg%. The base dmg is lower to balance the added dmg they offer. What Sadida needs is the ability to keep those dolls alive so that the small base dmg they offer, adds up to being more beneficial than lone sadi.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2008-01-09
posté April 29, 2014, 15:22:54 | #16
I've seen my dolls crit today for the first time since... I don't even know how long.
 


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-04
posté April 29, 2014, 15:54:33 | #17

Quote (Rokugatsu @ 29 April 2014 15:22) *
I've seen my dolls crit today for the first time since... I don't even know how long.

AHAHA!


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2010-12-18
posté April 29, 2014, 16:29:14 | #18
Ok greedy crit is good but I just hope they can keep up with higher level monsters as they add l evel 150+ monsters. Doesn't feel like they will.

Need to test ultra powerful (ironic name) doll


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2008-01-09
posté April 29, 2014, 16:38:55 | #19
They already can't keep up, my Greedy dies from one hit even on Shushus, so..


This post has been edited by Rokugatsu - April 29, 2014, 16:39:49.
Nun Shall Pass * Member Since 2012-07-02
posté April 29, 2014, 20:40:08 | #20
Fucking lame ass class, You guys are right.

They didn't even give ultra powerfuls crits

Thats some bullshit. Some serious bullshit.

I thought i would come back this update, but SIKE GROU RUINED IT AGAIN. I hate these fucking lame wanna be designers. -___________-

*rants on forever*

OK, back to quitting.


This post has been edited by aquabeauty - April 29, 2014, 20:40:55.