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Soft Crackler * Member Since 2013-05-10
posté September 15, 2013, 22:29:49 | #61

Quote (Chrolo @ 15 September 2013 20:34) *
you know why you usually dont see doube whispered bp and class emblems?
Because there is usually only 1 monster in the fight that drops the specific part.

Double relics are possible because every monster of that family has it in its drop table. The chance for a double drop to happen is just really low because you cant get it from pouches and the general droprate is abysmal
If you read the warweak post I linked above you see he says that some drops are limited to 1 per group. It has nothing to do with there only being one monster that can drop it in the team, some drops are coded to be limited to 1.


Grizzled Dandelion * Member Since 2012-06-18
posté September 15, 2013, 23:20:15 | #62

Quote (FajneCycki @ 15 September 2013 21:51) *
One solo Enutrof having optimal PP has around of a 0,05% chance to drop a relic per mob killed
Hmm... You need +700pp on an enutrof to even get the chance to drop a relic, don't you?

By the way, the statistics are so low all we can do is speculate. I'm trying to find out how exactly the pp and drop systems work and everyone tells me a different story. The developers could very well be hiding "secret" mechanisms to prevent farming equips and we would never know... Unless someone gets the opportunity to analyze the code, it's not safe to "be sure".

I'm expecting the worst: ( for normal fights; I mean non-boss fights )
  • Only 1 character in the fight gets a chance to roll pp for the relic; ( I'm supposing everyone has the same chance of getting the relic assigned to them )
  • Only 1 mob will drop a relic per fight;
I guess that in the worst scenario, the chance to get a relic would be:

( Prospecting modifier ) / ( Number of characters in the fight ) * 10000

- With the condition there is at least 1 mob that drops the relic in that fight and the pp lock was reached.

And if this is the case, telling us it's a 0.01% drop rate is just a lie.
Be my guest to criticize it, and to correct me if I'm wrong.

P.S. Here's a fact: When we started to kill magmog on remington, we dropped 4 rogmournes in 4 consecutive weeks, 2 or 3 wands, 1 shield and some pieces of his set. And, since I've been killing Milkar for over a year now and I never dropped a Bloodthirsty neither a BC sword, I started thinking there must be some hidden mechanics regarding drops, at least in boss fights.

¨Nes


This post has been edited by Lakeface - September 15, 2013, 23:56:11.
Lazy Bow Meow * Member Since 2012-03-19
posté September 15, 2013, 23:31:07 | #63

Quote (Noobility @ 15 September 2013 22:29) *

Quote (Chrolo @ 15 September 2013 20:34) *
you know why you usually dont see doube whispered bp and class emblems?
Because there is usually only 1 monster in the fight that drops the specific part.

Double relics are possible because every monster of that family has it in its drop table. The chance for a double drop to happen is just really low because you cant get it from pouches and the general droprate is abysmal
If you read the warweak post I linked above you see he says that some drops are limited to 1 per group. It has nothing to do with there only being one monster that can drop it in the team, some drops are coded to be limited to 1.
That has nothing to do with equipment drops and multiple monsters.

what he means with 1 per team and limited quantities are resources drops that usually everyone in the party has the chance to loot, but some are limited to 1 per monster like Gone-Off Bloods.


Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2011-03-05
posté September 16, 2013, 02:43:05 | #64
*changing away from the drop discussions again*
...and so I gathered the strength to finish the little "quest" for the CB amulet with the help of some friends.
It ended up being a lot more simpler than we thought. We kept running around all of frigost with different items equipped etc.
Shame I didn't get the title on the character I really wanted it on though, but oh well.


And the final spoiler of where to go for those that wish to skip right through all of this.


Spoiler: (highlight to show)
Turned out you only had to go to the last room of Hagen Daz's dungeon, and enter through a hidden wall on the character that dropped the Strange Pickaxe.



This post has been edited by Eniilicious - September 16, 2013, 02:44:46.
Soft Crackler * Member Since 2013-05-10
posté September 16, 2013, 03:08:05 | #65

Quote (xSakux @ 15 September 2013 23:31) *

Quote (Noobility @ 15 September 2013 22:29) *

Quote (Chrolo @ 15 September 2013 20:34) *
you know why you usually dont see doube whispered bp and class emblems?
Because there is usually only 1 monster in the fight that drops the specific part.

Double relics are possible because every monster of that family has it in its drop table. The chance for a double drop to happen is just really low because you cant get it from pouches and the general droprate is abysmal
If you read the warweak post I linked above you see he says that some drops are limited to 1 per group. It has nothing to do with there only being one monster that can drop it in the team, some drops are coded to be limited to 1.
That has nothing to do with equipment drops and multiple monsters.

what he means with 1 per team and limited quantities are resources drops that usually everyone in the party has the chance to loot, but some are limited to 1 per monster like Gone-Off Bloods.
Nope. He says some items are limited to 1 per team. That's literally what it says. Not 1 per monster, not resources. If you look at the context, the OP is asking because he has trouble dropping orange items, resources aren't part of the discussion. My main language is French. You can google translate if you want, or assume good faith.


The Sinister Six * Member Since 2012-02-09
posté September 16, 2013, 06:54:32 | #66

Quote (Eniilicious @ 16 September 2013 02:43) *
*changing away from the drop discussions again*
...and so I gathered the strength to finish the little "quest" for the CB amulet with the help of some friends.
It ended up being a lot more simpler than we thought. We kept running around all of frigost with different items equipped etc.
Shame I didn't get the title on the character I really wanted it on though, but oh well.


And the final spoiler of where to go for those that wish to skip right through all of this.


Spoiler: (highlight to show)
Turned out you only had to go to the last room of Hagen Daz's dungeon, and enter through a hidden wall on the character that dropped the Strange Pickaxe.
It drops on cracklers, right?


Tofurby on Diet * Member Since 2011-03-05
posté September 16, 2013, 10:36:18 | #67

Quote (axemangx @ 16 September 2013 06:54) *
It drops on cracklers, right?
Yup, a few (that grind polars quite a lot) have suggested it might be dungeon specific, but assuming it's another .01% drop, that would seem a bit silly. IMO at least.
The one I dropped actually dropped in the dungeon, so I can't really say more about that.


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2012-01-26
posté September 16, 2013, 13:47:41 | #68

Quote (Eniilicious @ 16 September 2013 02:43) *
*changing away from the drop discussions again*
...and so I gathered the strength to finish the little "quest" for the CB amulet with the help of some friends.
It ended up being a lot more simpler than we thought. We kept running around all of frigost with different items equipped etc.
Shame I didn't get the title on the character I really wanted it on though, but oh well.


And the final spoiler of where to go for those that wish to skip right through all of this.


Spoiler: (highlight to show)
Turned out you only had to go to the last room of Hagen Daz's dungeon, and enter through a hidden wall on the character that dropped the Strange Pickaxe.
oh my god the aura looks so yummy


Teethless Sharkie * Member Since 2012-03-28
posté September 17, 2013, 03:29:47 | #69

Quote (Eniilicious @ 16 September 2013 02:43) *
*changing away from the drop discussions again*
...and so I gathered the strength to finish the little "quest" for the CB amulet with the help of some friends.
It ended up being a lot more simpler than we thought. We kept running around all of frigost with different items equipped etc.
Shame I didn't get the title on the character I really wanted it on though, but oh well.


And the final spoiler of where to go for those that wish to skip right through all of this.


Spoiler: (highlight to show)
Turned out you only had to go to the last room of Hagen Daz's dungeon, and enter through a hidden wall on the character that dropped the Strange Pickaxe.
Grats on the amulet!


posté September 17, 2013, 06:22:50 | #70

Quote (Eniilicious @ 16 September 2013 02:43) *
*changing away from the drop discussions again*
...and so I gathered the strength to finish the little "quest" for the CB amulet with the help of some friends.
It ended up being a lot more simpler than we thought. We kept running around all of frigost with different items equipped etc.
Shame I didn't get the title on the character I really wanted it on though, but oh well.


And the final spoiler of where to go for those that wish to skip right through all of this.


Spoiler: (highlight to show)
Turned out you only had to go to the last room of Hagen Daz's dungeon, and enter through a hidden wall on the character that dropped the Strange Pickaxe.
Awesome, grats!  


posté September 21, 2013, 04:18:06 | #71
Is the dazzling signet considered a relic, and if not, does anyone know if it can be pouched?

Thanks in advance.


Grizzled Dandelion * Member Since 2012-03-18
posté September 21, 2013, 15:45:55 | #72
Dazzling Signet have 800 pp lock, so you need 700+ pp enu to get it from pouch
as my knowledge, you can get :
300 pp from set + pet + rune
100 hiden pp
50 mea culpa
100pp candy
10 from CM



Spoiler: (highlight to show)
impossible
 


This post has been edited by Makako123 - September 21, 2013, 15:50:29.
Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2012-01-26
posté September 21, 2013, 16:34:53 | #73
Thats not how that works.


posté September 21, 2013, 17:01:57 | #74

Quote (Makako123 @ 21 September 2013 15:45) *
Dazzling Signet have 800 pp lock, so you need 700+ pp enu to get it from pouch
as my knowledge, you can get :
300 pp from set + pet + rune
100 hiden pp
50 mea culpa
100pp candy
10 from CM



Spoiler: (highlight to show)
impossible
If what you're saying were true then it wouldn't be possible to pouch 600 PP drops from bosses with 200 PP enus.

Edit: Thanks for the information, Mango.


This post has been edited by grandiose-balivernes - September 21, 2013, 17:05:15.
Mister Winter Fashion Victim 2012 * Member Since 2012-12-20
posté September 21, 2013, 17:02:49 | #75

Quote (grandiose-balivernes @ 21 September 2013 04:18) *
Is the dazzling signet considered a relic, and if not, does anyone know if it can be pouched?

Thanks in advance.

It's a legendary grade item but it's considered a Relic and therefore cannot be pouched or dropped in the Haven World.

• Mango


Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2012-01-26
posté September 21, 2013, 21:03:11 | #76
Did some math..

300 PP from gear/passive
50 culpa
100 candy
50 guild
100 invis
100 mine
10 Area buff

710 lel.


Not so Hairy Moon * Member Since 2012-01-22
posté September 22, 2013, 00:42:54 | #77

Quote (HateSpawn @ 21 September 2013 21:03) *
Did some math..

300 PP from gear/passive
50 culpa
100 candy
50 guild
100 invis
100 mine
10 Area buff

710 lel.
Enutrofs can't drop relics by themselves?
Unacceptable slap in the face! Ankama HATES Enutrofs! QQ


Overweighted Chafer * Member Since 2012-03-25
posté September 22, 2013, 03:19:15 | #78

Quote (Icekin @ 22 September 2013 00:42) *

Quote (HateSpawn @ 21 September 2013 21:03) *
Did some math..

300 PP from gear/passive
50 culpa
100 candy
50 guild
100 invis
100 mine
10 Area buff

710 lel.
Enutrofs can't drop relics by themselves?
Unacceptable slap in the face! Ankama HATES Enutrofs! QQ

Hey if that enutrof solos ms freeze or the emiw..he deserves a goddamn relic alright.


This post has been edited by everat - September 22, 2013, 03:20:46.
Reason for edit : thai-po
Lord Madgobb * Member Since 2012-02-19
posté September 22, 2013, 04:14:38 | #79
you guys are forgetting nation buff.


Ecstatic Whisperer * Member Since 2011-02-25
posté September 22, 2013, 04:46:59 | #80
There is a 100 pp candy? omg want