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posté Today - 00:05:41 | #1

Quote (Xander-is-Kander @ 27 November 2014 23:59) *

Quote (MiniMikeh @ 27 November 2014 23:35) *

As much as I can appreciate the comparison Juggalos aren't nearly as bad as people make them out to be
I don't know about Major, but I'm talking about how they look somewhat like Juggalos with the with the white face paint and markings.
Same here; I don't know much about the juggalo subculture apart from their fondness of face paint, so I'm not drawing paralells besides this.

Can't wait to see the classy Eliatrope fedora fanart now. This'll be glorious.


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posté Yesterday - 23:09:00 | #2
So they not only made them look like bad ocs, they also have the power level of such? Amazing. Matches most Eliatrope ocs pretty closely, frankly, so the target audience will be satisfied.

Balance and pleasant gameplay experience for everyone else presumably don't matter, obviously, as who would care about such trivial issues when you get, uh. Juggalos.


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posté Yesterday - 02:45:08 | #3
I'm not sure how the definition I rely on deviates from the wiki one when applied to the Eliatropes.

They're presented as "better" than other species in the setting, "pure", with "ancient wisdom" and supposedly infinite amounts of magical power; both Eliatrope protagonists in canon media can overcome any threat without much hassle and everyone's supposed to root for them even when their actions are getting morally abhorrent (Nora essentially blows up a being who was wronged by the Eliatropes and wanted its internal organs back, Yugo was discussed throughly in this thread). Their powers adapt to whatever the plot requires to make sure that Eliatropes will win, going as far as making the entire origin of the playable ones resolve around a deux ex machina time paradox (complete with pathetic in-universe explanation).

They don't quite fit in between vaguely Hansa-inspired cyborgs and pitiful goblins, either, really. Not enough complexity when it comes to morals, clashing aesthetic. This being said, they do fit with the poor excuse for an overarching story Tot seems to have in mind since it relies on cheap drama, EPIC deux ex machina events and gary stu protagonists saving the world with their manpain.

I still fail to see a single thing that'd make them anything but a sue race. An unusually poorly written one, too.


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posté Yesterday - 02:02:14 | #4
Which part of their background doesn't scream "mary sue"

They ARE the very definition of a mary sue race, to an even greater degree than Tolkien-esque elves.

Btw, I'm petty pissed off that now it turns that actually all we'll see in the ruins beneath Sufokia will be Eliatrope crap rather than ancient automatons or something according to that class book from Dofus. Or, dunno, sentient shrimps (it's a canon race, it's pretty much impossible this fella was one of a kind). That'd be perfect place to put them in. But nooope.


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posté November 26, 2014, 23:01:34 | #5
Nope, not all self-inserts are mary sues/gary stus, and not all mary sues/gary stus are self-inserts - even the wikipedia definition confirms this...

Yugo is a full-blown mary sue regardless of whether he's Tot's self-insert or not. So is, in fact, Superman...


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posté November 26, 2014, 09:36:05 | #6
Critcism =/= drama

Also, I don't think you should show up here again after you've literally been trying to defend semi-pedophile behavior with "b-but there's lower age of consent here and there and besides naked underage bodies are ART", this mindset by default makes your presence obsolete.


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posté November 25, 2014, 17:43:00 | #7

Quote (Sentrayak @ 25 November 2014 16:36) *

Quote (Major-Caligari @ 25 November 2014 01:08) *


YUGO CLAUS WITH HIS YUGO SPAWN

Can someone retcon this year, please
What the... is this...? Don't tell me that's who I think it is.
I think it's Santa. I mean, they wouldn't make Yugo even more of a mary sue than he already is... oh wait... ovas already happened...


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posté November 25, 2014, 15:46:24 | #8
Sonic games are know for notoriously horrible plots, shallow characterization and heavily relying on deus ex machina, which together with the common attitude of Sonic fans makes them a popular object of ridicule on the internet

I don't really get the point of this entire ~~transmedia scenario~~ considering how a year ago we heard that it actually was a bad idea to tie some stuff to the year's theme for some reason

Also, it literally takes 10 minutes to come up with a better storyline expansion than Yugo becoming some transcendent timeless Santa-King. Example:

the year’s theme is industrial revolution, Brakmar ignites the spark and turns into a city-sized factory, meanwhile mechanical Foggers win the civil war and similar stuff happens in Sufokia; people start to pray to Djaul because he’s still patron saint of Brakmar and by extension becomes the patron of the progressing events as well; they could, dunno release dungeons referncing that in the nations? Release a 2 or 3 part quest detailing how it impacts some estabilished characters and introduces two or three new ones?

Djaul starts to knock at heaven’s door because of the amount of faith he amassed from humans and non-humans alike, gods can’t do much because Voyagers so he ascends, but due to some divine ruse the gods managed to get Jiva to ascend as well to preserve the power balance; Bontarians became even more devoted to the figure they already treat nearly as a goddess due to having to fight at two fronts, with both Brakmar and Sufokia expanding, You can tie new pvp features to that, explaining that apart from this, idk, Amaknians grew tired of Bonta's self-rigteousness.

culmination: second Crimson Dawn, Tot can get whichever Mary Sue he wishes involved, new classes based on either Djaul or Jiva worship released (goooooblins)

It literally took less than 10 minutes, still makes more sense, and to make it worse there's a plenty of people in this very thread capable of coming up with even better scenarios


This post has been edited by Major-Caligari - November 25, 2014, 15:52:37.
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posté November 25, 2014, 11:47:13 | #9
I think we should assume it's a Sonic game now because everyone is a bad recolor and this GOD-SANTA is "guardian of the emerald"


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posté November 25, 2014, 01:08:15 | #10


YUGO CLAUS WITH HIS YUGO SPAWN

Can someone retcon this year, please


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posté November 24, 2014, 11:06:18 | #11

Quote (GrimackReapum @ 23 November 2014 21:01) *
I personally would have preferred something like the arachnids do when they put you in a cocoon. Something actually referring to the act of putting bandages on someone
Most irl mummification methods don't really use bandages though, relying either on chemicals or specific environmental conditions... Egyptian methods, later picked up by a few other African cultures, are simply the most well-known in the western world due to the interest first Greeks, then Romans, and finally the French and English in the XIXth century took in them.

I like to think of the mummification spell in Wakfu as a makeshift version of the Xelor rites - thus no actual bandages are involved, just the sacred symbols, maybe some sort of alchemical solution as well.


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posté November 23, 2014, 12:15:23 | #12
Where did I say that -all- of you do this? I'm refering to a specific case from, iirc, February, which you'd recognize if you were familiar with the tumblr Wakfu fanbase. I've only compared the attitude consisting of general obnoxious demeanor and the unability to comprehend basic facts, which was diplayed in both cases by Eliatrope fans.


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posté November 23, 2014, 02:21:55 | #13
Lots of people enjoy Michael Bay's movies or browsing the /pol/ board on 4chan as well, though, this alone isn't a good argument and never was when it comes to perception of a piece of fiction. V:


This post has been edited by Major-Caligari - November 23, 2014, 02:22:15.
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posté November 23, 2014, 01:54:22 | #14
I think you're forgetting about which fanbase we're talking.

Am I annoyed by the fact that people can't comprehend why we aren't entertained by this story and that being uncritical doesn't make you a better fan? Yeah, I am (at the same time I have to admit that some replies coming from our side, me included, were pretty annoying too). But I'm not surprised at all, I've seen Wakfu fans who weren't capable og comprehending why people might not be ok with presence of a legit peodphile in the fandom, this is nothing in comparision.

For some weird reason this attitude seems to be unusually common among people who like Eliatropes which might warrant further study.

On a side note, I don't think I'll actually play one, unless I'll feel a need to become a juggalo. Would prefer Voyagers both due to much better backstory and designs as well as the fact that I already had a character planned (but that's not a big deal, ocs aren't hard to adapt for your own settings usually).


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posté November 22, 2014, 22:07:31 | #15
Forgot to post this yesterday, Ntamak - who, as it turns out, designed Harebourg's in-game incarnation (funny to know, he designed some of my faves among the Hour Demons as well) - on the issue of Harebourg's skin color; copy-paste from Izmar's tumblr:

"At this time, I made his fingers and skin blue more because I thought he had skin that was damaged by cold rather than that he was black.So personally, I’ve never thought of him as black, initially I wanted to give him worn (damaged), blue skin.

It’s true that after I designed the version with the hat that we no longer saw his skin.

But I never thought of him as black"

Basically the tcg card showing Harebourg's skin as pitch black is invalid, but at the same time the same goes for the ova.

I quite like that this is how it supposed to look like - one of the two cultures mostly responsible for the mummification methods which inspired Xelors, Incas, managed to (partially unwilingly) preserve dead bodies thanks to cold, and the mummies they left do have cracked skin - and iirc tend to show signs of frostbites. All makes sense this way.

At the same time, imo the hints about Xelors having dark - even pitch black - skin also make a lot of sense: many mummification methods resulted in the very dark coloration of mummified bodies; more natural dark skin pgimentation also would make sense, considering how the basic bandaged mummies all come from Africa. Also, all Xelor hairdos in Wakfu look like bandage dreadlocks. Basically out of all possibilites, ova went with the one that makes the least sense for some reason.


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posté November 22, 2014, 00:24:21 | #16
Frigost is a place, not a person

Also, it was "[Harebourg] would be delighted to have such a specimen in his collection" or something very similar, which was simply refering to the fact that he collects scientific oddities and rare creatures, and Dimensional Voyagers count as such, I was under the impression we sorted the issue of misinterpreting the prologue months ago '-----'

Also, the link between Srams and Rogues is something like assassination/crime syndicates. Basically covering different aspects of illegal activity. Good call on the life/death symbolism with Osa aspects, though I like to view it as nature and mockery/imitation of it rather than life/nature and death.


This post has been edited by Major-Caligari - November 22, 2014, 00:27:52.
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posté November 21, 2014, 22:41:33 | #17

Quote (Aacher @ 21 November 2014 19:32) *

Quote (NELSON-MAGNO @ 21 November 2014 17:37) *
Ain't nobody got time for this


I love that when weird science is happening, there is always a xelor involved.
This is someone's character, Acher, not an npc.

Wabbit Voyger guy officially scares me now


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posté November 21, 2014, 16:00:24 | #18
Have you seen the ovas?

They did it already. Stop pretending like Ankama can do no wrong and "c'mon let's wait for more developments before we judge", they fucked up. Badly.


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posté November 21, 2014, 15:54:45 | #19
Do you seriously expect a good explanation for the existence of a class whose raison d'etre is the fact that some people don't understand what continuity and good writing are and wanted to play as magical mary sue space elves? This what we deserved, as a community, for all those "pls mak eliatrop ingaem anmaka" threads and everything else related to the problem.


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posté November 21, 2014, 14:48:12 | #20
Please congratulate Ankama on replacing an actually interesting idea for a class with utter garbage.

Dunno if the playerbase should trust you now, though, I guess everyone has to decide on their own, not really my problem since in theory I left already


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